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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 23:24:55 GMT
Holy cow! Is there really such a thing as a YT sensitivity course? What will they think of next.
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 23:25:28 GMT
Found this thread on google and thought I would update it a bit plus things are slow here for some reason. (not that Trump being elected by the electoral college today reminds me of the Manson Family, Dubya Bush or anything) This Forum is filled with interesting moments that the casual browser will miss.
www.lsb3.com/2014/03/linda-ronstadt-meets-leslie-van-houten.html Wednesday, March 19, 2014 Linda Ronstadt meets Leslie Van Houten
I'm currently reading Linda Ronstadt's book Simple Dreams. In her book, Linda relates how she (and her friend Nicolette Larson) were really into roller skating. This was during the late 1970's, when skating was very popular. I can relate, because I loved going to roller discos! While skating in Southern California one day, Linda and Nicolette met Leslie Van Houten.
On to the story (excerpted from Simple Dreams):
Nicky and I started skating on Venice Beach, which we loved because it was full of extreme Southern California characters. There were old Jewish lefties playing chess, whatever was left of the Beat Generation, Muscle Beach bodybuilders, and street performers. There were also slackers and stoners of every description lying around enjoying the warm sun and the great looking girls in skimpy clothing.
Skating liberated us from car culture. If we saw something we liked, we could stop and join in immediately without having to park. If we didn't like what we saw, we could roll on by. The two of us were both novice skaters and could stop only by grabbing on to a pole or a tree.
We had a pal named Dan Blackburn, who worked as a news correspondent for NBC. He was a good skater and offered to meet us at the beach and give us some tips. Dan said he would bring a friend he wanted us to meet. He arrived at the designated hour and introduced us to a slender brunette, quiet and pretty, with a refined, well-brought-up manner. Her name was Leslie. We skated for an hour or so, until we were accosted by a tangle of people who were lying on the ground, trying to grab our ankles and begging for water. Some of them were eating dirt. They were obviously wasted on something strong. Someone said it was "angel dust," which was the street name for PCP. The analgesic effect of angel dust can prevent users form realizing they need water, and by the time the drug starts to wear off, they are desperate with thirst.
We managed to slide away and skated to a nearby restuarant for lunch. After we ordered, we began to talk about how we felt sorry and embarrassed for the people we had seen, that they had been shorn of any dignity they may have possessed, and that angel dust looked like a bad drug. Nicky and I had never tried it, and wondered what could be its appeal. Quiet Leslie became animated and said that yes, it was a very bad drug, and could cause one to do things one would never do when sober. She said she knew this, because she herself, had done some bad things under the influence of drugs and had gone to jail. Remembering my own jail experience, I naively asked her what she was arrested for. "Murder," she replied. "Well, who did you murder?" Nicky sputtered. Leslie replied that her full name was Leslie Van Houten and that she had been part of Charles Manson's "family." Nicollete and I were choking on our burgers. She seemed so nice and normal.
We wondered as politely as we could, how she had gotten out of jail and could be lunching and roller skating with us instead of sitting in a cell with the rest of her cohorts. She was out on an appeal because her attoney disappeared during the trial, and so she was found to have had ineffective assistance at trial.
As she saw it, the combination of Charles Manson's influence, plus the drugs he had encouraged her to take, would convince the court that she was not in her right mind, and therefore innocent. Dan and Leslie left us pondering how someone's life could change so irrevocably from normal to grotesquely tragic. As we skated back to where the car was parked, we wondered, could this happen to either of us? Or someone we loved? It definitely reinforced the hearing loss argument against drugs. I remember feeling so disturbed and distracted that I lost track of what my feet were doing and fell hard on the concrete. This, added to my fall down the stairs at the Capitol theatre a few years earlier, caused yeares of back problems.
Leslie's appeal, no surprise, was ultimately unsuccessful, as she was retried and ultimatley found guilty. After close to a year of freedom, she was returned to prison, where she remains to this day.
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 23:25:54 GMT
Strange to also find Linda and Manson to be listed on the same NPR page:
Fresh Air Weekend: Linda Ronstadt, Charles Manson And Robbie Fulks Listen· 47:30 September 21, 2013·11:02 AM ET
Heard on Fresh Air www.npr.org/2013/09/21/224763887/fresh-air-weekend-jeff-guinn-robbie-fulks-linda-ronstadt audio: ondemand.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/fa/2013/09/20130921_fa_01.mp3?orgId=1&topicId=1022&aggIds=139029251&d=2850&p=13&story=224763887&t=progseg&e=224763888&seg=1&siteplayer=true&dl=1
Fresh Air Weekend highlights some of the best interviews and reviews from past weeks, and new program elements specially paced for weekends. Our weekend show emphasizes interviews with writers, filmmakers, actors and musicians, and often includes excerpts from live in-studio concerts. This week:
In Memoir, Linda Ronstadt Describes Her 'Simple Dreams': Last month, Ronstadt revealed that she has Parkinson's disease and can no longer sing. Her new memoir, Simple Dreams, reflects on a long career. In this conversation with Fresh Air's Terry Gross, she offers frank insights on sex, drugs, and why "competition was for horse races."
Bio Credits Manson's Terrible Rise To Right Place And Time: California parolee Charles Manson arrived in San Francisco in 1967, when the city was full of young waifs looking for a guru. In Manson, Jeff Guinn argues that if the cult leader had instead been paroled in a place like Nebraska, he likely would not have been so successful.
Robbie Fulks: Exhilarating And Bitter On 'Gone Away Backward': The singer's new album is a work of great, accomplished craft about the pointlessness of crafting anything you care about, because the world is just going to ruin it on you.
You can listen to the original interviews here: ◾In Memoir, Linda Ronstadt Describes Her 'Simple Dreams' ◾Bio Credits Manson's Terrible Rise To Right Place And Time ◾Robbie Fulks: Exhilarating And Bitter On 'Gone Away Backward'
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 23:26:15 GMT
Another strange Ronstadt Manson connection happened while she was "dating" newly elected Governor Jerry Brown:
macewen2013.wordpress.com/tag/manson-family/
In trying to piece this together I wonder if this was also the time that slasher broke into Linda's Malibu home leaving her a creepy and scary message? In watching this documentary I see similarities not only to W Bush but to Donald J Trump in Manson. Sociopath, Psychopath, Narcissistic Personality have many similarities.
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 23:26:42 GMT
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 23:27:05 GMT
Re: Linda Ronstadt meets Leslie Van Houten. I thought that excerpt of Linda's book was interesting. The whole Charles Manson thing was pretty big back then and from what I understand his girls, Susan Atkins and Leslie were household names back then,.. I'm surprised Linda or Nicolette didn't recognize her from the news and papers.
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 23:27:38 GMT
This is almost Kennedyesque. There is another book about a serial killer who was ALSO in the area and it claims he killed Nicole Brown. Creepy to think Linda was living there when several serial killers were running around the neighborhood.
Serial Killer Murdered Nicole Brown Simpson, New Documentary Claims By Dan Harris and RICH MCHUGH ·Nov. 20, 2012 abcnews.go.com/US/serial-killer-oj-simpson-murdered-nicole-brown-simpson/story?id=17765728
A convicted serial killer currently on death row killed O.J. Simpson's ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend Ron Goldman, a new documentary claims.
"My Brother the Serial Killer" claims Glen Rogers was behind the 1994 murders that made nationwide headlines. The documentary, which airs Nov. 21 on Investigation Discovery, includes a candid interview with Rogers' brother, Clay.
"I'm absolutely certain that my brother killed Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman," Clay Rogers told the filmmakers.
Glen Rogers was arrested six weeks after Simpson, the famous football player and Brown's ex-husband, was acquitted of the murders. Police claimed Rogers went on a nationwide killing spree, allegedly murdering more than 70 people.
Receipts show that Rogers was working as a housepainter in Los Angeles at the time of the murders, according to the documentary. In the weeks before the Brown and Goldman were killed, Rogers told his brother and sister he was hanging around with Brown and said she was rich and he was going to "take her down."
According to the documentary, Rogers later told a criminal profiler that Simpson had hired him to steal back a pair of expensive earrings from Brown. Simpson allegedly told Rogers that "you have to kill the [expletive]"
Rogers also provided a "detailed account" of the murder to criminal profiler Anthony Meoli, according to the documentary. Rogers drew a picture of the knife he claims to have used, which matches the forensic description of the blade.
"There has been no investigation of Glen Rogers. The fact that he is confessing now surely means that the authorities should open the books on it," said filmmaker David Monaghan.
Goldman's father, Fred, does not believe the documentary.
"The fact of the acquittal at the hands of the jury will never wash away this murder from the hands of O.J. Simpson, not matter how many Glen Rogers pop up on the media radar screen," Goldman told TMZ.
While the new documentary is bound to generate attention on a case that gripped the nation, experts say it will unlikely change many minds about who did it.
"The filmmaker has created a compelling case here. The problem is, it doesn't deal with the enormous amount of evidence pointing at O.J. Simpson," said ABC News legal analyst Dan Abrams.
Simpson is currently serving up to 33 years in Nevada state prison after a group of men say the former football star robbed them of sports memorabilia at a hotel in 2007.
Rogers was captured in 1995 after his family tipped off police about his location. He has received death sentences in California and Florida and currently awaiting execution on Florida's death row.
Rogers was not interviewed for the documentary.
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 23:28:03 GMT
This video confirms my belief all along that O.J. Simpson did not kill Nicole Brown or Ronald Goldman. While he did not commit the killings he is still guilty. The real murderer is behind bars and in a strange twist the same behavior of O.J.'s that got him into prison was the same behavior that led to the deaths of his former wife and her friend. Seeing as how both O.J. and the murderer are both in prison for similar crimes committed in this case is why I believe California/L.A. officials chose not to re-open the case. Ron Goldman's father doesn't believe this story but it fits nicely into the facts of the case and answers lots of unanswered questions. I am glad Linda moved from Brentwood when she did.
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 23:28:26 GMT
Linda2006nicci, do you have a new source for the entire video?
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 23:28:51 GMT
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 23:29:29 GMT
Linda, Bonnie, Warren & Jackson.
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 23:30:11 GMT
My post above, has been transplanted here from a thread I started in General Music. The *full* documentary has Bonnie Raitt, Warren Zevon and Jackson Brown talking and singing songs each. Linda does not sing. Therefore General Music is more appropriate. end thread
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