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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 22:59:04 GMT
It creeps me out to think that Linda and the Manson Family may have crossed paths in the early days. Got serious doubts Linda ever crossed paths with the Manson family, unless she happened to be hanging out with Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys when Manson and his group were hanging around him briefly. The Manson family scared Wilson and I think he had to get the police to get them to leave from his home. I don't remember the exact specifics, other than just that Manson and his followers had apparently moved into Wilson's home and had no interest in leaving. Had Linda hung around with Manson and his followers, she could've ended up a casualty. I wonder how that investigation was going in which police were trying to determine if there were any unknown murder victims buried on what they called the Manson ranch?
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 22:59:31 GMT
Given that Linda lived in Topanga Canyon at the time Manson and his Family were making the rounds of the rock music cognoscenti that resided there (and this included Neil Young, incidentally), I don't think we can discount that she may have crossed paths with them. If she had, then I think it's clear why she didn't get sucked into their vortex: she was probably seriously creeped out by them, something that almost no one other than Terry Melcher seemed to be--until August 9, 1969, that is.
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 22:59:56 GMT
Well, it would be creepy enough just to have them in the neighborhood.
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 23:00:22 GMT
Quote by Richard W re. Manson Family: With the perspective of four and a half decades, yes, it's easy to say that everyone who had contact with them, including very possibly Linda, should have been creeped out. But then one has to remember that, in 1969, and in such a rustic, out-of-the-way place as Topanga Canyon, away from Authority, the Manson Family so easily blended in with everybody. They may have seemed very non-descript, unless you were Dennis Wilson, or Terry Melcher (at whose house in Benedict Canyon the first Manson killings took place), or Linda.
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 23:00:48 GMT
That's true, Erik. I was looking at the situation through hindsight. Obviously, the aura surrounding the Manson family came after their crimes were exposed. It reminds me of when Jeffrey Dahmer was stalking the bars in Chicago. When he was captured and his crimes were revealed, I had a supremely creepy moment when I realized that, when his picture appeared on TV, that I had seen him before. He was out looking for victims at the same time and places that I was out with friends. Fortunately, I wasn't his type!
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 23:01:14 GMT
that's creepy richard... didn't debbie harry have one of those passing encounters with ted bundy? As for Linda, I'd think had she run into those people, even in passing, she might have mentioned it .. and yes, they were very weird . all those brainwashed women singing and skipping holding hands... I think I would have got a major hotflash of embarrassment..even back then.lol
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 23:01:40 GMT
I think it is highly likely Linda and Manson crossed paths possibly without each others knowledge. Linda is quite intuitive and probably has "creep factor radar." The world was smaller then and they knew some of the same people. With that in mind she must have been really freaked when that slasher broke into her Malibu home (as seen in Wonderland) and left her that threatening note. It left Linda's mom quite shaken also. That may have had something to do with her selling that home. Security on a beach property would be difficult.The Family Jams (Manson Family album)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search For the Marilyn Manson demo album, see The Family Jams (Marilyn Manson album).
The Family Jams Studio album by The Manson Family Released 1997 Recorded 1970 Genre Folk rock Label Transparency Records & Aoroa Records[1] Charles Manson chronology Lie: The Love and Terror Cult (1970) The Family Jams (1997) One Mind (2005)
The Family Jams is an album featuring members of the Charles Manson "family." Recorded in or around 1970, the album was released in 1997. Although Charles Manson himself does not appear on any of the tracks, he is given writing credit for all of the songs. Most of the male vocals are sung by "family" member Steve "Clem" Grogan. Other members appearing on the album are Sandra Good, Lynette Fromme, Catherine "Gypsy" Share, Catherine "Cappy" Gillies, Nancy "Brenda" Pitman and Ruth Ann "Ouisch" Moorehouse.
In 1997 it was released simultaneously on CD by both Transparency Records & Aoroa Records.[2]
The first disc is the same music as a previously released white vinyl record called "Manson Family Sings the Songs of Charles Manson." This version, however, has been re-mastered for superior sound. The second disc contains new material and previously unreleased versions of the songs.
In early 1970, the Manson Family got everyone together, including Bruce Davis (then wanted by the FBI), in the Spahn Ranch saloon, to record music for Robert Hendrickson's MANSON film. This was the beginning of the Family Jams, but the original audio tapes remain buried in a vault.
The album was recorded as the murder trial was ongoing, with the song "Get on Home" containing the eerie line referring to the killers carving x's into their foreheads.
"When you see the children with x's on their head, if you dare to look at them, soon you will be dead."
Marilyn Manson and the Spooky Kids has released an unrelated demo with the same title, but this is not to be confused with the Manson Family's album.
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 23:02:43 GMT
With the perspective of four and a half decades, yes, it's easy to say that everyone who had contact with them, including very possibly Linda, should have been creeped out. But then one has to remember that, in 1969, and in such a rustic, out-of-the-way place as Topanga Canyon, away from Authority, the Manson Family so easily blended in with everybody. They may have seemed very non-descript, unless you were Dennis Wilson, or Terry Melcher (at whose house in Benedict Canyon the first Manson killings took place), or Linda. I don't know how easily they could've blended in with everybody, as there was just enough creepiness about them that should've set off the alarm bells...the vibes that would've been saying, "Don't hang around with this person (or group of people)." Most of us probably have never had a run in with a Manson/Bundy/Dahmer/Gacy type, but we probably have known others who had that air of creepiness about them and with whom we felt very uncomfortable around. Up until Manson and his followers came along, I think our country was probably getting used to the hippie type, not seeing them as the bad people that some had tried to make them out to be. Manson put the fear back in the more conservative elements of our country about the hippies. There was a leeriness about anyone who was a hippie or looked like a hippie, yet many were not the criminal type. They just looked different to conservative America. Ironically, the more conservative elements of our country probably would've been more taken in by a slick looking Ted Bundy or a dumb, redneck looking John Wayne Gacy type. They didn't look like the bug eyed monster types who meant harm, yet as a writer once pointed out, the bigger and biggest danger of those who would mean us harm are those who don't look like they would be a threat to us. We fear those who look too different from us, and we have Manson to thank for that.
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 23:14:57 GMT
I would be more worried about the clean cut psychotic/sociopath type especially when they attain political status or even the presidency. That would be their ultimate "cookie jar." One doesn't have to look to far into our past to see that scenario play itself out.
And didn't Linda once warn Nicolette Larson about Neil Young (LOL):( www.ronstadt.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=music&action=display&thread=632 ) The Relationship Between Neil Young and Charles Manson Neil Young is an elder statesman of rock, Charles Manson a notorious mass murderer, but their paths crossed for a while in 1968, with interesting results...
Posted by Mark Wallace on Jan 25, 2011
In 1968 Neil Young and Charles Manson were both wannabe songwriters on the Topanga Canyon scene, Young right at the scene’s centre and Manson hovering jealously on the fringes. Young, of course, had already achieved a certain amount of prominence in his time with Buffalo Springfield, who had had a minor hit with “For What It’s Worth”, and he had released his self-titled debut album to a muted reception.
Manson’s track record was less promising, as he had spent much of his life in correctional institutions, but now he had made some influential friends, notably Beach Boy Dennis Wilson, who was trying to get Manson a record deal, and who introduced Manson to Young. Coincidentally, Young and Manson share a 12 November birthday, but separated by 11 years: Manson was born in 1934, Young in 1945.
1968: Young meets Manson
Young remembers Manson as being “a little uptight, a little too intense. Frustrated artist.” (McDonough, 287) However, when Manson picked up his guitar and played a few songs, Young was strongly impressed: “[He] made up songs as he went along, new stuff all the time, no two songs were the same.” (ibid.)
Young recommended Manson to Mo Ostin, president of Warner Brothers, but it never got any further. Reminiscing years later, Young was clearly still somewhat enthralled by Manson’s force of personality: “He was an angry man. But brilliant… He sounds like Dylan when he talks.” (McDonough, 288) He went even further: “He’s like one of the main movers and shakers of time – when you look back at Jesus and all these people, Charlie was like that.” (ibid.)
1974: “Revolution Blues”
On Young’s 1974 album On the Beach, he included a song about Manson, “ Revolution Blues ”, culminating in the couplet: “I hear that Laurel Canyon is full of famous stars/ But I hate them worse than lepers, and I’ll kill them in their cars.” Subtle it’s not, but a pretty extreme sentiment for a rock star, one illustrating just how far Young has deviated from the gently melancholic country rock, the “Heart of Gold”-type stuff, that is still what he is most publicly known for.
For his part, Manson said in a 1995 interview from prison in California that all his old musician friends “didn’t give a sh*t” – except Neil Young, who once gave him a motorcycle. (McDonough, 287) When Young’s biographer related this to Young, he seemed oddly pleased to have won Manson’s approval: “So Charlie remembers me too, huh? Everybody else ripped him off. I gave him a motorcycle. I turn out to be a good guy.” (ibid.)
•McDonough, Jimmy, Shakey: Neil Young’s Biography (Random House, 2002) •Bugliosi, Vincent, Helter Skelter (Arrow Books, 1992)LZ-'75: The Lost Chronicles of Led Zeppelin's 1975 American Tour
It's been a long time since they rocked and rolled, but even more than 30 years after calling it quits, Led Zeppelin remains one of the music business' top selling acts, be it measured through recordings or related memorabilia.
After decades of deciphered decibels and scrutinized scandal, there really aren't many zapping Zepp revelations, or even reverberating rumors, left in circulation. What LZ-'75 offers is a rare, behind the scenes perspective, still a strong selling point since most information on the band is either well known or well guarded.
Subtitled The Lost Chronicles of Led Zeppelin's 1975 American Tour, the book was compiled on recently found notes from the post-touring period when author Stephen Davis composed his bestselling Hammer of the Gods. That 1985 bombshell—with its tales of bestial groupie games, dark magic and multiple other excesses, though subsequently contradicted with venom by the principals—helped fuel the ongoing Zeppelin mythology.
"Robert shopped at record stores in Greenwich Village. Jimmy Page hung out with guitarist Joe Walsh [who presented Page with a very rare Les Paul model guitar]. Together they attended a Linda Ronstadt concert at the Capitol Theatre in Passaic, New Jersey. John Bonham drank like a fish and had a stomach ache. The tour doc suggested to John that he modify his alcohol intake and just got laughed at. No one ever knew where John Paul Jones was."
There are some fascinating, brief episodes like singer Robert Plant reportedly having a top-secret operation on his vocal chords, and lesser moments like a reportedly spooky visit from Charles Manson's demented disciple Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme, or backstage comedy concerning Bonham's monumental diarrhea and diaper supply.
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 23:15:25 GMT
I would be more worried about the clean cut psychotic/sociopath type especially when they attain political status or even the presidency. I might get into trouble for saying this but I've always thought charles manson sounds a lot like our last president, george.. it's even freaky.
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 23:15:54 GMT
I might get into trouble for saying this but I've always thought charles manson sounds a lot like our last president, george.. it's even freaky. They sound EXACTLY alike. I even posted a comparison on the old forum. Not only that, W looks just like serial killer Ted Bundy in early photos. You can barely tell them apart. Charles Manson, George Bush and His Followers By Ben Cohen · June 11,2008 | When George W. Bush launched his war in Iraq he did so with a definite religious fervor. Like all religious wars, his Iraq invasion was based on lies and, therefore, required a significant level of blind faith from his supporters. In recent days Scott McClellan’s new book, What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington’s Culture of Deception, has received significant attention for merely verifying what most, if not all, previously knew; Bush’s public case for war was entirely based on dishonesty and lies. As one might expect, Bush’s supporters continue to support him with the same religious fervor and blind faith as was required of them in the run up to war. Expanding the analogy of a religious war, I direct readers to Vincent Bugliosi’s new book, The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder, which leads to another seemingly unavoidable comparison: George Bush compared to Charles Manson. Bugliosi is the ex-prosecutor who successfully prosecuted Charles Manson and his followers for the murders they committed, so the connection and the comparison become obvious. Both Bush and Manson did not directly commit the murders; instead, they incited their followers to do so. Neither has any apparent remorse for their actions. more: thedailybanter.com/2008/06/charles-manson/
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 23:16:20 GMT
I would be more worried about the clean cut psychotic/sociopath type especially when they attain political status or even the presidency. That would be their ultimate "cookie jar." One doesn't have to look to far into our past to see that scenario play itself out.
And didn't Linda once warn Nicolette Larson about Neil Young (LOL): One would think people would've wakened up to the fact that being clean cut looking doesn't equate to being a nice person. Funny thing about our country's attitudes towards people looking different: there was a kind of acceptance by some (but not all) towards long haired guys and yet, when the skinheads came along, the same conservative part of our country that feared and put down the long haired guys, had the same fear about skinheads. And put them down too. Young's association with Manson...fascinating story. When it comes to Manson, I sometimes wonder if Terry Melcher or some other record company had signed him to a record deal, would his murderous rage have never happened? Of course, if Manson did indeed murder others long before the Tate-LaBianca killings, it wouldn't have mattered whether he had a record deal or not. Killing others for whatever reason he killed (or had others do his dirty work), whether it was out of revenge or for drugs or robbery, just seemed to be something in his blood. Young was lucky he didn't wind up a victim (or part of Manson's family) or that others around him didn't end up victims.
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 23:16:41 GMT
They sound EXACTLY alike. I even posted a comparison on the old forum. Not only that, W looks just like serial killer Ted Bundy in early photos. You can barely tell them apart. I've never thought about that but just picturing the two in my mind...yeah, they do look alike. I always thought George looked like a monkey (and apologies to the monkeys for the insult) but with far less intelligence. I had two nicknames for W when he was president: monkeyf--k and Comrade W. But, as bad as I despised, distrusted and disliked him, I despised and disliked Cheney even more, and had an even bigger distrust of him than I had of Bush. I thought Bush was the type who could do something criminal out of utter stupidity or be easily led into doing something criminally stupid, but Pumpkinhead Cheney struck me as someone who would knowingly commit a criminal act and be arrogant about it. When he shot that one guy in the face on some hunting trip (or whatever it was), it struck me as being an intentional act. But, there was no question of being arrested by the police or being prosecuted, yet I always thought he should have. Had anyone else done that, there would've been charges filed and most likely, that person going to jail. And it's just hysterically funny to me some of the right wingers continue to talk about how Ted Kennedy walked in the wake of the Chappaquidick affair, yet never a mention of how Cheney almost killed one of his "friends." If I was that friend, I would've told him to stay away.
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 23:17:13 GMT
Not only the voice but their mannerisms and even words they use /expressions... it is very freaky to me. I've noticed this for awhile too. end pg.2
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Post by the Scribe on Dec 24, 2021 23:17:49 GMT
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