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Post by the Scribe on Apr 7, 2020 9:20:32 GMT
GOP TALKING POINT: The Mafia stole the election in Illinois for JFK by election shenanigans. Nixon was the real winner.
FACT: TOTAL RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVE BULLSHIT TALKING POINTS
FACT: With or WITHOUT Illinois Kennedy would have WON the election via the electoral college.
John Kennedy 303 electoral votes
Richard Nixon 219 electoral votes
Illinois has 27 electoral votes
303 - 27 = 276 electoral votes
270 VOTES NEEDED TO WIN THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE
EITHER WAY KENNEDY WINS NIXON LOSES
END OF STORY
The BIG CONSERVATIVE GOP LIE repeated ad nauseam is JFK stole his election thanks to the mafia help. I even heard that repeated tonight on right wing hate radio with Bill Cunningham interviewing Bill O'Reilly. This bullshit gets repeated on right wing talk over and over and over year after year after year. Conservative idiots believe what they are told without doing any research on their own or fact checking. EVERYTHING these people "to believe as true" is usually right wing propaganda perpetuated by the Conservative Industry.
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Post by the Scribe on May 21, 2021 11:39:46 GMT
This is an age old GOP talking point.Fake news alert: JFK did not steal 1960 election by fixing IllinoisNiall O'Dowd @niallodowd Aug 09, 2017
www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/fake-news-alert-jfk-did-not-steal-1960-election-by-fixing-illinois
As Donald Trump continues to search for answers a 57-year mystery has finally been cleared up
John F Kennedy and Chicago mayor Richard Daley did not steal the 1960 election as has long been claimed and reported. It turns out that even if Kennedy had lost Illinois he would still have won the electoral college.
There was a brilliant piece of analysis by Paul von Hippel, a University of Texas professor, writing in the Washington Post on Tuesday that shoots down the fiction which has become fact for millions.
It reveals that the idea, strongly embedded in American political culture, that Daley, the last of the big city Irish bosses, stole the election for JFK is fake news, false, an illusion.
Donald Trump’s Commission on Election Integrity
www.irishcentral.com/opinion/others/when-nixon-resigned-a-history-lesson-in-the-time-of-trump?q=trump
Yet the fiction persists. When President Trump recently created a Commission on Election Integrity to investigate claims of illegal votes the 1960 Illinois vote was one of the reasons given.
It has long been an article of faith among millions that JFK stole the election because Richard Daley held back the Cook County vote until he could see how many were needed to give the state to Kennedy.
As von Hippel writes “the story of the stolen 1960 election rests on several myths. When myths are replaced with evidence, it’s not clear that the election was stolen at all.”
The most popular myth is that Illinois gave Kennedy the presidency, retold just recently, in a recent Washington Times op-ed by Virginia State Sen. Richard Black (R) who claimed that “Mayor Daley’s corrupt machine delivered huge tallies for Democrats, changing the election outcome.”
Lies! Fake news – Kennedy won
But Kennedy would have won anyway. Even if he had lost the popular vote (which he won narrowly) his victory in the electoral college was inevitable with or without Illinois
As von Hippel writes, “Kennedy’s margin in the electoral college was more than large enough to survive the loss of Illinois.”
John F Kennedy among the crowds on his 1960 campaign trail.
This was a time, remember, when the south was solidly Democratic and Kennedy took states like Texas, which would be remarkable today, and Republicans won California. Kennedy actually won 303 electoral votes; his Republican opponent Richard Nixon won 219. 15 electors cast their votes for segregationist Democrat Harry Byrd.
As the Post points out even if Illinois’s 27 electoral votes had gone to Nixon, Kennedy would have won, with 276 votes to Nixon’s 246 (only 269 electoral votes were needed to win in 1960 vs. 270 today).
Yes, it was a squeaker on the popular vote, but Kennedy won Illinois by just short of 9,000 votes and Texas by 46,627. And there were seven other states Kennedy won more narrowly than Texas but won legitimately.
Chicago Mayor Daley
It is also fake news to allege that Daley held votes back too. Kennedy won Cook County, which is Chicago and suburbs, by 318,000 votes. The reason why is that thirty-nine percent of Cook County residents were Catholic, and overwhelmingly in favor of the first Catholic president and 20 percent were black at a time when Kennedy was making strong overtures to them.
Chicago Mayor Richard Daley meeting with Richard Nixon.
Von Hippel watched NBC’s 1960 coverage and discovered an irrefutable fact. NBC reported most of Cook County votes were in before downstate and Republican Illinois was counted.
In other words, there was no way that Daley could have thrown the election to Kennedy late at night. It was Nixon who actually closed the gap as the night went on.
It is also fake news to say there were appeals for recounts which were not granted. In fact, von Hippel points out there were two recounts for Illinois which both confirmed the result.
It is always sobering to encounter real truth after decades of fake news about Illinois costing Nixon the 1960 election and the Kennedy family stealing it. Didn’t happen, not even close.
ELECTION NIGHT 1960 (NBC-TV COVERAGE)
David Von Pein's JFK Channel
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Live NBC-TV coverage of ELECTION NIGHT 1960 (November 8-9, 1960). Anchoring the election coverage are NBC's Chet Huntley and David Brinkley.
The U.S. Presidential election in 1960 was one of the closest in history, with 43-year-old Massachusetts Senator John F. Kennedy just barely edging out 47-year-old Vice President Richard M. Nixon.
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Post by the Scribe on Nov 23, 2022 9:00:10 GMT
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Post by the Scribe on Nov 23, 2022 9:11:44 GMT
When voters went to cast their ballots on November 7, the contest was close. In the electoral college, Kennedy captured 303 votes (34 more than was required to win), while Nixon won 219. The 14 unpledged electors in Alabama and Mississippi and 1 pledged elector in Oklahoma cast their votes for Sen. Harry F. Byrd, a Democrat from Virginia. Kennedy eked out a narrow victory in the popular vote, defeating Nixon by just under 117,000 votes. Overall, Kennedy won 49.7 percent to Nixon’s 49.5 percent. Kennedy thus became the third person elected president in the 20th century without winning a majority of the popular vote (joining Woodrow Wilson in 1912 and Harry S. Truman in 1948; in 1968 Nixon would become the fourth person in the 20th century to win the presidency without a majority). The popular vote was the closest since 1884, when Democrat Grover Cleveland defeated Republican James G. Blaine by only about 24,000 votes.
www.britannica.com/event/United-States-presidential-election-of-1960
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Post by the Scribe on Nov 23, 2022 9:15:33 GMT
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Post by the Scribe on Nov 23, 2022 10:29:12 GMT
Even if Nixon had gotten the electoral college votes from Illinois and West Virginia he still fell short of the 270 needed at 252.
That 35 vote loss would put JFK at 268 which is 2 short of electoral college victory but still higher than Nixon's 252. Kennedy also won the popular vote.
Had neither won the majority of electoral votes the vote would go to the House of Representatives with each state getting ONE vote. The most votes there would decide the presidency.
That is a scary scenario as there are more red states than blue states even though liberals and the left far outnumber red state conservatives.
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