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Post by the Scribe on Sept 30, 2020 20:06:52 GMT
Did anyone truly expect this debate with Trump to go any differently? The only way to shut Trump up is with an electric choke collar suitable for any dog or deplorable.
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Watch the first 2020 presidential debate between President Trump and Democratic nominee Joe Biden in Cleveland.
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Post by the Scribe on Sept 30, 2020 20:08:28 GMT
Bernie Sanders Reacts to Trump Biden Debate
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Senator Sanders talks about the debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden, Trump’s refusal to accept real science, Biden’s thoughts on the Green New Deal and plans to combat the climate crisis, Trump refusing to condemn white supremacists, whether televised debates are constructive, Trump trying to do away with coverage for pre-existing conditions, the hypocrisy of Lindsey Graham in respect to Trump’s Supreme Court nomination, Americans losing faith in the electoral process, Trump cheating the tax system, and what he says to people who are thinking about not voting.
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Post by the Scribe on Sept 30, 2020 20:10:03 GMT
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Post by the Scribe on Sept 30, 2020 20:13:11 GMT
Taunts And Interruptions Send Presidential Debate Into Chaos | TODAY
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A torrent of interruptions and insults quickly sent Tuesday night’s debate between President Trump and Joe Biden into chaos and confusion. At one point, President Trump sidestepped a call to condemn white supremacists. NBC’s Peter Alexander reports for TODAY.
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Post by the Scribe on Sept 30, 2020 20:15:17 GMT
Expert calls first 2020 presidential debate "the most incoherent" he's ever seen
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Post by the Scribe on Sept 30, 2020 20:16:01 GMT
Daniel Dale: 'Almost every single thing Trump said during last segment of debate was inaccurate'
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Post by the Scribe on Sept 30, 2020 20:41:02 GMT
Nancy Pelosi 'Lost A Lot Of Sleep' Over Trump Not Denouncing Extremist Groups | Morning Joe | MSNBC
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says Trump's unwillingness to denounce a far-right extremist group during the debate marked a 'sad night for our country.' Aired on 9/30/2020.
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Post by the Scribe on Sept 30, 2020 21:57:26 GMT
U.S. President Donald Trump and Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden participate in the first presidential debate at the Health Education Campus of Case Western Reserve University on September 29, 2020 in Cleveland, Ohio. This is the first of three planned debates between the two candidates in the lead up to the election on November 3. (Win McNamee/Getty Images)
A debate that will live in infamy: That sweaty, red-faced liar is actually our presidentwww.salon.com/2020/09/30/a-debate-that-will-live-in-infamy-that-sweaty-red-faced-liar-is-actually-our-president/
We already knew Trump was a national embarrassment. Did he think his sneering-bully act would win back voters?
HEATHER DIGBY PARTON
SEPTEMBER 30, 2020 1:00PM (UTC)
At the conclusion of the first debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden on Tuesday night, CNN's Dana Bash gave the best review of the proceedings: "That was a sh**show." Her colleague Jake Tapper who described it as "a hot mess inside a dumpster fire inside a train wreck. That was the worst debate I have ever seen. In fact, it wasn't a debate. It was a disgrace. It's primarily because of President Trump, who spent the entire time interrupting [and] lying." Or maybe Rachel Maddow's assessment on MSNBC — a "monstrous cavalcade of increasingly wild and obscene lies" — draws the most accurate picture of what went down in Cleveland on Tuesday night.
However you want to phrase it, a great truth was expressed by Wolf Blitzer when he opened his show:
I'd like to welcome viewers from here and around the world. Clearly this debate was an embarrassment for the United States ...
I would only add that it was an embarrassment entirely because of Donald Trump's sophomoric behavior, which was more befitting a nasty tween bully trying to shake someone down for his lunch money than the president of the United States. But then, why would we expect otherwise? The Donald Trump whom millions of people watched in horror as he lied, insulted, interrupted and acted like a barbaric brute is who he is virtually every day at his briefings, press avails, interviews and, most especially, the grotesque super-spreader events he calls campaign rallies. To expect him to behave with the decorum befitting the leader of the most powerful country in the world is absurd. He simply doesn't know how.
To the extent that he has ever cared about attracting back some of those "suburban housewives," as he likes to call them, this debate was a massive failure. His sweaty face and angry grimace formed the surreal picture of every woman's worst nightmare — the domineering boss, the cruel boyfriend, the violent father, the abusive husband. He could not have done more to drive them away.
Biden was fine. He's never been a great debater but he held his own and managed to speak directly to the American people as much as possible over the cacophony of lies and fatuous insults. He told Trump to shut up, which would have been satisfying if Trump had actually done it but he just kept growling and grunting his way through one incoherent rant after the other. This was the Trump Show all the way, and a cheap and ugly display from beginning to end.
Unfortunately, the moderator, Fox News anchor Chris Wallace, was hapless throughout although I did feel some pity for him. Moderating a debate between a normal politician and an angry, petulant ignoramus isn't easy. Wallace lost control from the beginning and was never able to get it back. It was a low point for his career.
We heard that Trump had prepared a bit for the debate with former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and some flash cards and the notoriously short-tempered Jersey Boy must have worked him up into a frenzy. Christie himself must have had second thoughts because he reportedly said that he thought Trump "came in a little too hot," which was the understatement of a lifetime. Trump was completely unhinged.
His insults were off the charts. For instance, after Biden's criticized Trump's COVID response by saying, "A lot more people are going to die unless he gets a lot smarter a lot quicker," the president came unglued and snapped back:
Smart? You graduated either the lowest or almost the lowest in your class. Don't ever use the word "smart" with me. Don't ever use that word. Because you know what? There's nothing smart about you, Joe.
Trump went on to spout an egregious lie from the right-wing fever swamps that Biden didn't know which college he went to. Coming from the man who had his former henchman, Michael Cohen, threaten his college officials if they released his transcripts, that's real chutzpah.
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www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/02/28/michael-cohen-testifies-trump-threatened-colleges-over-any-release-his-grades
There was a lot of that sort of thing. But there were two occasions when Trump said things that were downright chilling. The discussion of "race and violence" (an unfortunate framing by Wallace, to say the least) was awful. From Trump saying that he canceled diversity training because it made "certain people feel as if they had no status in life — a sort of reversal" (meaning "reverse racism," a right-wing trope) to yet another refusal to disavow white supremacy, Trump's own racism was on full display.
When Trump asked who specifically he was supposed to disavow and Biden suggested the gang of far-right thugs known as the Proud Boys, Trump couldn't do it. Instead he issued a call to arms:
The Proud Boys heard the call:
That leads to the other issue that should give every American a few sleepless nights. Once again, Trump refused to say if he would agree to wait for the ballots to be counted, and did not promise to urge his supporters to stay calm:
As for "poll watchers," they are designated by local election officials. They're not just random citizens crowding into polling places to breathe down the necks of voters. That's called voter intimidation and it's illegal. Nonetheless, I'm sure the Proud Boys heard that call too, as well as any number of other MAGA-heads who are prepared to keep people from voting by any means necessary.
Trump perhaps thought he could behave like a rabid dog and make Biden cower in the corner — and at least that didn't happen. Biden was solid enough and Trump's antics were so over the top that the whole exercise ended up feeling like an assault on the whole system. James Fallows of the Atlantic put it this way:
[T]his was a disgusting moment for democracy. Donald Trump made it so, and Chris Wallace let him. I hope there are no more debates before this election. If they happen, I won't waste another minute of my life watching them.
It was exhausting and depressing, and I have to imagine that many viewers changed the channel after about 45 minutes of it. That spectacle was literally painful to watch at times because it reminded us how much our democracy has been degraded and demeaned by this man for four long years. Now he's openly calling for violence and intimidation around the election. He may end up finally leaving office at the end of this ordeal, but it appears that he's prepared to leave a smoldering ruin of a country in his wake.
HEATHER DIGBY PARTON
Heather Digby Parton, also known as "Digby," is a contributing writer to Salon. She was the winner of the 2014 Hillman Prize for Opinion and Analysis Journalism. |
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Post by the Scribe on Sept 30, 2020 22:55:17 GMT
 Trump is scared sh**less: He can't handle the truth, so he wouldn't let Biden talkwww.salon.com/2020/09/30/trump-is-scared-shless-he-cant-handle-the-truth-so-he-wouldnt-let-biden-talk/
Trump's no strongman: He's a coward who listens to no one and hides behind the fascists he urges to "stand by"
AMANDA MARCOTTE
SEPTEMBER 30, 2020 4:30PM (UTC)
Forget the euphemistic language being used by much of the mainstream press to describe Tuesday night's presidential debate between Donald Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden. That wasn't a "contentious debate," nor were the candidates "bickering." No, Biden showed up to do normal politician things, only to find himself trapped on stage with Trump, a shit-flinging monkey whose only purpose was to prevent anything resembling truth from slipping through and touching the ears of the public.
For an hour and a half, the same thing kept happening over and over. (And over, and over.) Biden would try to talk, about literally anything — Trump's failures, his own policy ideas, the state of the nation, hell, possibly the weather — and Trump would immediately interrupt the second he heard a truth about to be stated, ranting over Biden and silencing any factual information or expression of decency under a blanket of lies and vitriol.
www.salon.com/2020/09/29/the-adult-vs-the-alien-former-trump-and-biden-insiders-on-tonights-debate/
Trump and his supporters no doubt imagine that his performance was a triumphant display of animalistic dominance. But like all bullies, their posturing is a thin disguise for the cowardice underneath. What was really on stage was a man so incredibly terrified of being held to account, even a little, and so fearful of the facts that he lashed out like a cornered rat at even the barest hint that his opponent might say things that are true.
Trump lied about everything: Health care, the coronavirus, mail-in ballots, the economy, jobs, policing, Black Lives Matter protests and on and on.
www.cnn.com/2020/09/29/politics/fact-check-biden-trump-first-presidential-debate/index.html
It would certainly be easier to list the things he didn't lie about.
Unfortunately, that list has only one item on it: Trump was entirely sincere about his unwillingness to condemn white supremacists and right-wing militias. We can go ahead and trust Trump was telling the truth when he asked such groups to "stand by," building on his already extensive history of encouraging armed far-right militants to use violence and intimidation to help him steal the election.
www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/09/30/trump-debate-rightwing-celebration/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
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(These groups heard Trump loud and clear, and are celebrating Trump's support for their violent desires.)
www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/09/30/trump-debate-rightwing-celebration/
It is customary for post-debate takes to focus on the question of who "won" the debate. In this case, that's a little like trying to determine who "won" a football game where one team showed up to play and other team set fire to the field, tore off their jerseys, and ritually sacrificed kittens while howling at the moon.
To be certain, Biden has a real talent for not suffering fools gladly, when he chooses to use it. He famously deployed this skill in the 2012 vice presidential debate against Paul Ryan, deliciously wiping that smug expression off Ryan's face repeatedly throughout the night. After a shaky start, Biden dug in and found that part of his personality again Tuesday, smiling condescendingly at the raving Trump and repeatedly calling out Trump's monkey act for what it was.
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"Will you shut up, man? This is so unpresidential," he zipped.
"Maybe you can inject some bleach into your arm," he quipped.
www.salon.com/2020/04/24/now-that-trump-has-suggested-we-shoot-up-lysol-can-cable-news-stop-airing-this-crap/
"It's hard to get any word in with this clown, excuse me, this person," he zapped.
The zingers were scripted and rehearsed, of course — the T-shirts went on sale immediately — but that didn't diminish their impact, since anyone with a shred of remaining decency left fiercely agreed with the sentiments. Still, contempt usually works its magic by triggering shame in its target. That's how it worked on Ryan in 2012, leaving him sputtering in the face of Biden's ridicule.
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Trump, however, is shameless. There was little Biden could do to staunch the flow of lies and nonsense.
What came to mind instead is the famous Disney cartoon "The Sorcerer's Apprentice." Biden was in the role of Mickey Mouse, and the more he tried to stop the deluge of lies pouring from Trump's pinched and sneering mouth, the more the bullshit flowed.
It was overwhelming, and frankly triggering for anyone who has residual trauma from being abused or bullied. I'm usually pretty calm watching these live political events, pouring my thoughts into Twitter or in snarky remarks on Salon's internal Slack channel. But I found myself losing control, yelling, "SHUT UP" in response to Trump's grating voice, a mixture of fingernails on the chalkboard and cats fighting, as he poured out another bucket of lies.
Understandably, some pundits are calling for the future debates in this series to be canceled, especially if Trump keeps using them to encourage right-wing militias to get ready for violence. (There's a vice-presidential debate betwen Mike Pence and Sen. Kamala Harris scheduled for next week, and two more Biden-Trump debates before the end of October.)
There can be little doubt that Trump's behavior is not helpful for his campaign. There's a significant chunk of would-be Trump voters who want to imagine themselves as good people, and he's doing absolutely nothing to bolster their delusions. Even "Fox & Friends" co-host Brian Kilmeade complained that Trump didn't do the bare minimum of pretending to condemn white supremacists, suggesting that Trump's propagandists understand this isn't a good look for him.
Of course, that concern is rapidly being overtaken by the "Dear Leader" impulse on the right. The diligent atrocity-documenters of at Media Matters spent Wednesday morning collecting examples of Fox News commentators defending white supremacists and other far-right militants, and accusing "antifa" of being the engine of violence. In reality, of course, the majority of shootings and all the car attacks at protests — including the shooting of three men in Kenosha, Wisconsin, that left two dead — have been at the hands of those right-wing extremists Fox News and Trump keep claiming are heroes.
www.salon.com/2020/08/28/what-the-kenosha-shooter-tells-us-about-donald-trumps-america/
Understandably, a lot of liberal viewers saw Trump's display last night and freaked out. And yes, it is legitimately scary, and emotionally overwhelming, to have a man who is legally the president of the United States acting like an imperious bully who shouts down criticism and encourages armed men to use violence to suppress dissent. (And here I thought the right was against "cancel culture"!) Again, if you've ever been the victim of abuse or a hate crime, it's hard to watch Trump act out like that without feeling a powerful, involuntary reaction.
www.salon.com/2020/08/28/rnc-speakers-whined-about-cancel-culture--but-its-the-right-who-want-to-crush-free-speech/
WWhat's critical to understand here, however, is that none of this is the behavior of a man who thinks he's winning. Trump is lashing out because he knows he's a failure and a loser, and he's trying to hold that truth at arm's length with a torrent of lies and violent threats. He's resorting to drastic measures because he's lost control of the situation. He knows Americans want to throw him out — leaving him to face possible criminal charges and bankruptcy — and he's panicking. He's threatening people and making false fraud allegations because he wants people to give up on voting, as he knows that's how they can drive him out.
www.vox.com/21459231/trump-tax-returns-evasion-fraud
Trump is a coward who uses bullying and threats to conceal his fear. He can be defeated, if people see him for what he is.
As Barack Obama said at the Democratic National Convention last month: "Don't let them take your power from you." Thirty-four days to go.
AMANDA MARCOTTE
Amanda Marcotte is a senior politics writer at Salon and the author of "Troll Nation: How The Right Became Trump-Worshipping Monsters Set On Rat-F*cking Liberals, America, and Truth Itself." Follow her on Twitter @amandamarcotte and sign up for her biweekly politics newsletter, Standing Room Only. salon45594.activehosted.com/f/1
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Post by the Scribe on Oct 2, 2020 22:46:43 GMT
Just yesterday Trump was again boasting how HE won the debate.
Fact-Checking the First 2020 Presidential Debate | NowThis
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Trump told more lies at the first presidential debate than we could count — here are some of the strangest and most misleading moments.
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