Post by the Scribe on May 19, 2020 22:17:12 GMT
Funny thing how morals, “deeply held” religious convictions, political convictions, familial relationships and friendships are all overridden by one thing, cold, hard, cash. To CONServatives, the ENDS ALWAYS JUSTIFY THE MEANS. Beg, borrow, steal, lie, cheat, bribe, coerce, propagandize their reptilian ideals and win at all costs. These people are concerned with power. Not the life of the child but the life of a fetus. Once born these people walk away from any social, ethical and moral responsibility to help that child thrive. Personally I abhor abortion except for certain, rare situations. But if we are going to force women to bear a child we need to have social safety nets for all concerned. The history of conservatism is the antithesis to that ideological viewpoint.
And how about birth control education, the morning after pill and any number of methods to prevent pregnancy? Conservatives ALL against it. Therefore a woman's right to choose (up to a certain point) should be the law.
conservatism.freeforums.net/thread/135/democrats-liberals-baby-killers
The woman behind 'Roe vs. Wade' didn't change her mind on abortion. She was paid
www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/woman-behind-roe-v-wade-160020572.html?.tsrc=notification-brknews
Meredith Blake
May 19, 2020, 9:00 AM MST
When Norma McCorvey, the anonymous plaintiff in the landmark Roe vs. Wade case, came out against abortion in 1995, it stunned the world and represented a huge symbolic victory for abortion opponents: “Jane Roe” had gone to the other side. For the remainder of her life, McCorvey worked to overturn the law that bore her name.
www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-08-11-mn-33931-story.html
But it was all a lie, McCorvey says in a documentary filmed in the months before her death in 2017, claiming she only did it because she was paid by antiabortion groups including Operation Rescue.
www.latimes.com/local/obituaries/la-me-norma-mccorvey-snap-story.html
“I was the big fish. I think it was a mutual thing. I took their money and they’d put me out in front of the cameras and tell me what to say. That’s what I’d say,” she says in “AKA Jane Roe,” which premieres Friday on FX. “It was all an act. I did it well too. I am a good actress.”
In what she describes as a “deathbed confession,” a visibly ailing McCorvey restates her support for reproductive rights in colorful terms: “If a young woman wants to have an abortion, that’s no skin off my ass. That’s why they call it choice.”
Norma McCorvey in a scene from the FX documentary "AKA Jane Roe." (FX)
Arriving in an election year as the Supreme Court is considering a high-profile abortion case with the potential to undermine Roe vs. Wade and several states across the country have imposed so-called “heartbeat laws” effectively banning the procedure, “AKA Jane Roe” is likely to provoke strong emotions on both sides of this perennial front in the culture wars.
www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-03-02/supreme-court-retreat-from-roe-vs-wade-could-begin-this-week-with-louisiana-abortion-case
www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-mississippi-abortion-ban-heartbeat-20190321-story.html
Director Nick Sweeney says his goal was not necessarily to stir controversy, but to create a fully realized portrait of a flawed, fascinating woman who changed the course of American history but felt she was used as a pawn by both sides in the debate.
“The focus of the film is Norma. That’s what I really want people to take away from the film — who is this enigmatic person at the center of this very divisive issue,” he says. “With an issue like this there can be a temptation for different players to reduce ‘Jane Roe’ to en emblem or a trophy, and behind that is a real person with a real story. Norma was incredibly complex.”
www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-08-27-ls-39362-story.html
Sweeney started making the film in April 2016, frequently visiting McCorvey in Katy, Texas. At first, he says, she was reticent, “but when she realized when I was not involved in the abortion debate she was very happy to open up.” Over the course of the time they spent together, McCorvey recounted details of her difficult upbringing — marked by abuse, neglect and a stint in reform school — turbulent personal life, including a short-lived teenage marriage, and a decades-long relationship with girlfriend Connie Gonzalez.
“I thought she was extremely interesting and enigmatic. I liked that her life was full of these fascinating contradictions,” says Sweeney, who also interviewed figures on either side of the abortion issue who were close to McCorvey, including attorney Gloria Allred and Rob Schenck, an evangelical minister and former leader of Operation Rescue.
McCorvey comes across as funny, sharp and unfiltered, with a broad performative streak. She rattles off lines from "Macbeth" and jokes, “I’m a very glamorous person — I can’t help it, it's a gift.”
The documentary includes scenes of McCorvey on election night 2016 — a few months before she died of heart failure at age 69 — expressing her support for Hillary Clinton. "I wish I knew how many abortions Donald Trump was responsible for,” McCorvey muses. "I’m sure he’s lost count, if he can count that high.”
www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2020-02-27/hillary-clinton-hulu-documentary-nanette-burstein
“She had a kind of sly wit,” says Sweeney, recalling the many hours he spent with her in Katy, going on doughnut runs or sitting in a park, where she’d make him pick magnolia flowers.
But there is also great sadness, particularly surrounding her relationship with Gonzalez, which she renounced after her conversion in 1995.
Norma McCorvey on a summer afternoon in Smithville, Texas. (Robert Daemmrich Photography Inc / Corbis)
The film explores one of the great ironies of McCorvey’s life story: Although she helped make abortion legal, McCorvey herself never had an abortion. She was pregnant with her third child when, in 1970, she signed an affidavit challenging laws in Texas which prohibited abortions except to save a mother’s life. As an impoverished, uneducated woman lacking the means to travel out of state or obtain an illegal procedure, she was an ideal plaintiff for the lawyers who tried the case, Sarah Weddington and Linda Coffee.
"I know how I felt when I found out that I was pregnant and I wasn’t going to let another woman feel that way — cheap, dirty and no good," McCorvey says in the film. "Women make mistakes, and they make mistakes with men, and things happen. It’s just Mother Nature at work. You can’t stop it. You can’t explain it. It’s just something that happens."
But it would take three years before the Supreme Court would render a verdict, by which time McCorvey had long since given birth to a girl who was placed for adoption. (Her second child had also been placed for adoption; her first child was raised by her mother.) McCorvey remembers learning of the decision in the newspaper and receiving a phone call from Weddington saying they'd won. "Why would I be excited? I had a baby, but I gave her away. It's for all the women who come after me."
“AKA Jane Roe” also shows how McCorvey was held at arm’s length by abortion rights proponents. After a decade of anonymity, McCorvey went public in the 1980s and began granting interviews, and was depicted in the Emmy-winning TV movie, "Roe vs. Wade," starring Holly Hunter. But to the leaders of the abortion rights movement, the inconsistencies in her story — for a time McCorvey claimed she had gotten pregnant as the result of a rape, then said she had been lying — and lack of polish made her a less-than-ideal poster girl for the cause.
In 1995, she was working at a Dallas abortion clinic that was targeted for demonstrations by Operation Rescue, a militant organization known for extreme tactics such as blockading clinics (the group is now known as Operation Save America). She struck up an unlikely friendship with Flip Benham, an evangelical minister, who baptized her in a backyard pool, and for the next two decades of her life was a fixture at antiabortion protests and in documentaries. In 1998, she published a second memoir, “Won by Love,” detailing her change of heart on abortion. As Benham recalls with evident pride in "AKA Jane Roe," McCorvey also took part in demonstrations where he burned the LGBT flag and the Quran.
latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/07/norma-mccorvey-the-jane-roe-of-roe-v-wade-fame-is-among-antiabortion-protesters-tossed-at-sotomayor-.html
Despite her visible role in the fight against abortion, McCorvey says she was a mercenary, not a true believer. And Schenck, who has also distanced himself from the antiabortion movement, at least particularly corroborates the allegations, saying that she was paid out of concern “that she would go back to the other side,” he says in the film. “There were times I wondered: Is she playing us? And what I didn’t have the guts to say was, because I know damn well we were playing her.”
www.npr.org/2018/07/11/628000131/once-militantly-anti-abortion-evangelical-minister-now-lives-with-regret
Schenck expresses regret at targeting McCorvey, someone whose vulnerabilities could be easily exploited, he says. “What we did with Norma was highly unethical. The jig is up.”
And how about birth control education, the morning after pill and any number of methods to prevent pregnancy? Conservatives ALL against it. Therefore a woman's right to choose (up to a certain point) should be the law.
conservatism.freeforums.net/thread/135/democrats-liberals-baby-killers
a few months before she died of heart failure at age 69 — expressing her support for Hillary Clinton. "I wish I knew how many abortions Donald Trump was responsible for,” McCorvey muses. "I’m sure he’s lost count, if he can count that high.”
The woman behind 'Roe vs. Wade' didn't change her mind on abortion. She was paid
www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/woman-behind-roe-v-wade-160020572.html?.tsrc=notification-brknews
Meredith Blake
May 19, 2020, 9:00 AM MST
When Norma McCorvey, the anonymous plaintiff in the landmark Roe vs. Wade case, came out against abortion in 1995, it stunned the world and represented a huge symbolic victory for abortion opponents: “Jane Roe” had gone to the other side. For the remainder of her life, McCorvey worked to overturn the law that bore her name.
www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-08-11-mn-33931-story.html
But it was all a lie, McCorvey says in a documentary filmed in the months before her death in 2017, claiming she only did it because she was paid by antiabortion groups including Operation Rescue.
www.latimes.com/local/obituaries/la-me-norma-mccorvey-snap-story.html
“I was the big fish. I think it was a mutual thing. I took their money and they’d put me out in front of the cameras and tell me what to say. That’s what I’d say,” she says in “AKA Jane Roe,” which premieres Friday on FX. “It was all an act. I did it well too. I am a good actress.”
In what she describes as a “deathbed confession,” a visibly ailing McCorvey restates her support for reproductive rights in colorful terms: “If a young woman wants to have an abortion, that’s no skin off my ass. That’s why they call it choice.”
Norma McCorvey in a scene from the FX documentary "AKA Jane Roe." (FX)
Arriving in an election year as the Supreme Court is considering a high-profile abortion case with the potential to undermine Roe vs. Wade and several states across the country have imposed so-called “heartbeat laws” effectively banning the procedure, “AKA Jane Roe” is likely to provoke strong emotions on both sides of this perennial front in the culture wars.
www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-03-02/supreme-court-retreat-from-roe-vs-wade-could-begin-this-week-with-louisiana-abortion-case
www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-mississippi-abortion-ban-heartbeat-20190321-story.html
Director Nick Sweeney says his goal was not necessarily to stir controversy, but to create a fully realized portrait of a flawed, fascinating woman who changed the course of American history but felt she was used as a pawn by both sides in the debate.
“The focus of the film is Norma. That’s what I really want people to take away from the film — who is this enigmatic person at the center of this very divisive issue,” he says. “With an issue like this there can be a temptation for different players to reduce ‘Jane Roe’ to en emblem or a trophy, and behind that is a real person with a real story. Norma was incredibly complex.”
www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-08-27-ls-39362-story.html
Sweeney started making the film in April 2016, frequently visiting McCorvey in Katy, Texas. At first, he says, she was reticent, “but when she realized when I was not involved in the abortion debate she was very happy to open up.” Over the course of the time they spent together, McCorvey recounted details of her difficult upbringing — marked by abuse, neglect and a stint in reform school — turbulent personal life, including a short-lived teenage marriage, and a decades-long relationship with girlfriend Connie Gonzalez.
“I thought she was extremely interesting and enigmatic. I liked that her life was full of these fascinating contradictions,” says Sweeney, who also interviewed figures on either side of the abortion issue who were close to McCorvey, including attorney Gloria Allred and Rob Schenck, an evangelical minister and former leader of Operation Rescue.
McCorvey comes across as funny, sharp and unfiltered, with a broad performative streak. She rattles off lines from "Macbeth" and jokes, “I’m a very glamorous person — I can’t help it, it's a gift.”
The documentary includes scenes of McCorvey on election night 2016 — a few months before she died of heart failure at age 69 — expressing her support for Hillary Clinton. "I wish I knew how many abortions Donald Trump was responsible for,” McCorvey muses. "I’m sure he’s lost count, if he can count that high.”
www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2020-02-27/hillary-clinton-hulu-documentary-nanette-burstein
“She had a kind of sly wit,” says Sweeney, recalling the many hours he spent with her in Katy, going on doughnut runs or sitting in a park, where she’d make him pick magnolia flowers.
But there is also great sadness, particularly surrounding her relationship with Gonzalez, which she renounced after her conversion in 1995.
Norma McCorvey on a summer afternoon in Smithville, Texas. (Robert Daemmrich Photography Inc / Corbis)
The film explores one of the great ironies of McCorvey’s life story: Although she helped make abortion legal, McCorvey herself never had an abortion. She was pregnant with her third child when, in 1970, she signed an affidavit challenging laws in Texas which prohibited abortions except to save a mother’s life. As an impoverished, uneducated woman lacking the means to travel out of state or obtain an illegal procedure, she was an ideal plaintiff for the lawyers who tried the case, Sarah Weddington and Linda Coffee.
"I know how I felt when I found out that I was pregnant and I wasn’t going to let another woman feel that way — cheap, dirty and no good," McCorvey says in the film. "Women make mistakes, and they make mistakes with men, and things happen. It’s just Mother Nature at work. You can’t stop it. You can’t explain it. It’s just something that happens."
But it would take three years before the Supreme Court would render a verdict, by which time McCorvey had long since given birth to a girl who was placed for adoption. (Her second child had also been placed for adoption; her first child was raised by her mother.) McCorvey remembers learning of the decision in the newspaper and receiving a phone call from Weddington saying they'd won. "Why would I be excited? I had a baby, but I gave her away. It's for all the women who come after me."
“AKA Jane Roe” also shows how McCorvey was held at arm’s length by abortion rights proponents. After a decade of anonymity, McCorvey went public in the 1980s and began granting interviews, and was depicted in the Emmy-winning TV movie, "Roe vs. Wade," starring Holly Hunter. But to the leaders of the abortion rights movement, the inconsistencies in her story — for a time McCorvey claimed she had gotten pregnant as the result of a rape, then said she had been lying — and lack of polish made her a less-than-ideal poster girl for the cause.
In 1995, she was working at a Dallas abortion clinic that was targeted for demonstrations by Operation Rescue, a militant organization known for extreme tactics such as blockading clinics (the group is now known as Operation Save America). She struck up an unlikely friendship with Flip Benham, an evangelical minister, who baptized her in a backyard pool, and for the next two decades of her life was a fixture at antiabortion protests and in documentaries. In 1998, she published a second memoir, “Won by Love,” detailing her change of heart on abortion. As Benham recalls with evident pride in "AKA Jane Roe," McCorvey also took part in demonstrations where he burned the LGBT flag and the Quran.
latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/07/norma-mccorvey-the-jane-roe-of-roe-v-wade-fame-is-among-antiabortion-protesters-tossed-at-sotomayor-.html
Despite her visible role in the fight against abortion, McCorvey says she was a mercenary, not a true believer. And Schenck, who has also distanced himself from the antiabortion movement, at least particularly corroborates the allegations, saying that she was paid out of concern “that she would go back to the other side,” he says in the film. “There were times I wondered: Is she playing us? And what I didn’t have the guts to say was, because I know damn well we were playing her.”
www.npr.org/2018/07/11/628000131/once-militantly-anti-abortion-evangelical-minister-now-lives-with-regret
Schenck expresses regret at targeting McCorvey, someone whose vulnerabilities could be easily exploited, he says. “What we did with Norma was highly unethical. The jig is up.”