Post by the Scribe on Jan 15, 2024 17:34:36 GMT
We can argue about the Civil War all day long but the fact is this is about a dangerous, narcissistic man named Trump who jumped in front of the parade called modern conservatism that was created, funded and enabled by some wealthy elites behind the scene. Conservative media has been one of the most effective propaganda tools in history next to what went on in 1930''s Germany. Today's conservatives are yesterday's confederates. The racist southern democrats flipped republican when Democratic president LBJ signed the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts into law. Not one conservative voted for them. And that my friends is when and how the South turned RED. While the Civil War may be an apt argument it is a diversion. Let's not lose sight of what has been going on for decades, who is behind it and why it has turned into such a cult. For starters, go online and read Origins of the Overclass by Steve Kangas....the scribe
Los Angeles Times Opinion
Opinion: Trump's 'lost cause,' a kind of gangster cult, won't go away
www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-trumps-lost-cause-kind-111516219.html
David W. Blight
Sun, January 14, 2024 at 4:15 AM MST·5 min read
2.2k
(FILES) A supporter of US President Donald Trump holds a Confederate flag outside the Senate Chamber during a protest after breaching the US Capitol in Washington, DC, January 6, 2021. - The demonstrators breeched security and entered the Capitol as Congress debated the 2020 presidential election Electoral Vote Certification. (Photo by SAUL LOEB / AFP) (Photo by SAUL LOEB/AFP via Getty Images)
On Jan. 6, 2021, former President Trump, the loser of the 2020 election, famously addressed a gathering of followers who then joined the mob that attacked the U.S. Capitol. While rambling and incoherent, Trump’s speech nonetheless made a few things clear: Leftists had conspired to steal the election by fraud, and the mobs summoned to Washington on his behalf would need to “stand strong.” The implication was that violence might be necessary, because “you’ll never take back our country with weakness.”
www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial
Trump then made former Vice President Mike Pence the target of collective scorn for refusing to send the electoral college process back to the states. If “weak Republicans” would not step up and participate in overturning the results, Trump vowed, “we will … never ever forget.” For the next four to five hours, in the most recorded event in American history, the world watched as a new “lost cause” was born in violence and spectacular lies.
Read more: 2024 could be the year America fends off dictatorship, or invites it in
www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-12-31/donald-trump-dictatorship-germany-1930s-threats-democracy?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=promo_module&utm_campaign=rss_feed
There have been numerous lost causes in modern history, usually following defeats in war, where the vanquished glorify their loss as a source of pride and shared animosity toward the victors. Three big lost causes have plagued world and American history. Following their bloody defeat in the Franco-Prussian War of 1870-71, the French exhibited an intergenerational cultural need to avenge the loss. Then, following Germany’s defeat in World War I, the Nazis gained traction by blaming Jews and leftists, who were depicted as “poisons” in the blood of the body politic. And then, of course, there was the American South after the Civil War, when the narrative of the Confederate "lost cause" yielded a potent brew of twisted history and white supremacist ideology.
Lost cause narratives sometimes have been powerful enough to build or destroy political regimes, shape national and ethnic identities, and fill landscapes with monuments. They work primarily as powerful new founding myths, always advancing a politics of grievance that turns into retribution, and sometimes victory. Immediately after the military surrender in 1865, forms of the Confederate "lost cause" took root in a Southern society marked by physical destruction, the psychological trauma of defeat, resistance to the victors’ policy of Reconstruction, racial violence and — with time — carefully constructed sentimentalism.
Read more: Here's how we know the Republican Party has become an autocratic movement
www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-10-08/donald-trump-republican-party-autocratic-movement-dissent?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=promo_module&utm_campaign=rss_feed
Specifically, the Confederate "lost cause" claimed that Southern soldiers had shown unfailing valor, and that the South hadn’t really lost, but merely succumbed to superior numbers and resources. Southern white women allegedly supported the cause to the bitter end and helped preserve the “truthful” memory; the Confederacy’s enslaved Black population supposedly remained loyal to their owners; and, finally, the Confederates had never really fought for slavery but rather for “home,” national sovereignty and states’ rights.
To be sustained as public propaganda, lost causes need a pure narrative with clearly identified villains and heroes. Sometimes, they are havens of sick souls; other times, they are the means to power for a disciplined political movement. Trump’s "lost cause," now newly virulent as he campaigns for a second term despite multiple indictments, draws on a menu of grievances among the disaffected, energizing those who believe that a “diversity”-obsessed multicultural America has veered out of control, especially in relation to immigration at the Mexican border.
Read more: Goldberg: Trump's day-one dictator comment is a sad symptom of populist politics
www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-12-12/trump-2024-election-dictator-day-one?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=promo_module&utm_campaign=rss_feed
Some are also staunch believers in conspiracy theories about “fraud” allegedly committed in the 2020 election as well as other dark notions of leftist machinations in American universities, on school boards, and in the Democratic Party. Unlike the Confederate Lost Cause, the Trump version is a kind of gangster cult, full of rituals of loyalty to a single man and his plans to fashion an authoritarian U.S. government that will use executive power to achieve his followers’ preferences.
Trump’s "lost cause" also has its martyrs, including the hundreds of convicted insurrectionists — known in the movement, and by Republican politicians such as Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.), as “hostages” — who are now in prison. Above all, it peddles a model of politics and society according to which facts and evidence are irrelevant. At Trump rallies, constitutionalism is for losers, history is little more than a useful weapon, and American civics is deployed as entertainment to indulge hatred of liberalism, representative democracy and — in many cases — nonwhite America. The Trump "lost cause" is thus a platform, one that the Republican Party has adopted to convert these stories and lies into votes. Win or lose, it will not die.
www.cnn.com/2024/01/07/politics/elise-stefanik-january-6-prisoners-liz-cheney/index.html
In the Confederate "lost cause," white Southerners truly had to endure colossal mourning: Nearly 300,000 people lay in graves across their landscape, and much of their society lay in ruins. Trumpian mourning seems rooted in social-media-driven nostalgia for an ideal past that almost no one experienced. The movement’s supporters long for a vanished racial order, for a world of secure social identities preserved from unknown but hated elites, and for communities that have not been drained of cohesion by the internet, the pandemic and economic displacement. They need their story to be great again.
Lost causes can turn lies into common coin and forge deep and lasting myths. We are a long way from knowing how much staying power the Trumpian "lost cause" will have, regardless of whether he survives his criminal charges and the election campaign. What we do know is that we have already witnessed its formative years.
David W. Blight is Sterling Professor of History at Yale University and author of the Pulitzer Prize-winning "Frederick Douglass: Prophet of Freedom."
If it’s in the news right now, the L.A. Times’ Opinion section covers it. Sign up for our weekly opinion newsletter.
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This story originally appeared in Los Angeles Times.
COMMENTS
Kevin
1 day ago
The Lost Cause has been a cultural staple in the Deep South ever since the end of the war and Pollard published his 1866 book "the Lost Cause." It dominates the culture of the South, even at my church where on Confederate Memorial Day Sunday, the pastor makes a point every year to mention the "valiant Southern soldiers fighting against the North's tyranny." I took him to task on that last year and he said he agreed with me, but there's no way he can tell any other member that or else he'd be run out of town on a rail. It's also amazing that the southern Lost Cause is evident in places like Michigan and Indiana, which sent scores of troops in the 1860s to end the slaveholders' rebellion.
william
1 day ago
What tyranny? 44% of the south's population were slaves in 1860. Southern states seceded just because Lincoln was elected. They feared something and decided to break the law based on that fear. Imagine someone fearing their home being broken into so they broke into someone else's home. Essentially that is what the south did. They fired on the Federal Fort Sumter. Then the states which hadn't seceded, including Virginia, seceded because the federal government called up troops to put down the rebellion. Mind you that Virginia in 1860 begged federal troops to come in and put down John Brown's Harper Ferry raid and threat of rebellion and they tried John Brown and his cohorts on the crime of treason. Before Virginia decided to secede in 1861 they had a convention to determine their path and those at the convention who looked at secession determined it to be illegal. Meaning it was not found in the 10th amendment rights. There was no northern tyranny just like there was no massive election fraud in 2020. It was a lie that southerners have told themselves after the fact.
Earthling
16 hours ago
The 44% wasn't even considered as people. Mississippi pre 1964 bragged they didnt even need the guys in the pointed hats to keep them from voting. They would just make sure they had no jobs if they tried to vote ... less than 5% voted. These people are still around today, doing all they can to control the vote.
Los Angeles Times Opinion
Opinion: Trump's 'lost cause,' a kind of gangster cult, won't go away
www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-trumps-lost-cause-kind-111516219.html
David W. Blight
Sun, January 14, 2024 at 4:15 AM MST·5 min read
2.2k
(FILES) A supporter of US President Donald Trump holds a Confederate flag outside the Senate Chamber during a protest after breaching the US Capitol in Washington, DC, January 6, 2021. - The demonstrators breeched security and entered the Capitol as Congress debated the 2020 presidential election Electoral Vote Certification. (Photo by SAUL LOEB / AFP) (Photo by SAUL LOEB/AFP via Getty Images)
On Jan. 6, 2021, former President Trump, the loser of the 2020 election, famously addressed a gathering of followers who then joined the mob that attacked the U.S. Capitol. While rambling and incoherent, Trump’s speech nonetheless made a few things clear: Leftists had conspired to steal the election by fraud, and the mobs summoned to Washington on his behalf would need to “stand strong.” The implication was that violence might be necessary, because “you’ll never take back our country with weakness.”
www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial
Trump then made former Vice President Mike Pence the target of collective scorn for refusing to send the electoral college process back to the states. If “weak Republicans” would not step up and participate in overturning the results, Trump vowed, “we will … never ever forget.” For the next four to five hours, in the most recorded event in American history, the world watched as a new “lost cause” was born in violence and spectacular lies.
Read more: 2024 could be the year America fends off dictatorship, or invites it in
www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-12-31/donald-trump-dictatorship-germany-1930s-threats-democracy?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=promo_module&utm_campaign=rss_feed
There have been numerous lost causes in modern history, usually following defeats in war, where the vanquished glorify their loss as a source of pride and shared animosity toward the victors. Three big lost causes have plagued world and American history. Following their bloody defeat in the Franco-Prussian War of 1870-71, the French exhibited an intergenerational cultural need to avenge the loss. Then, following Germany’s defeat in World War I, the Nazis gained traction by blaming Jews and leftists, who were depicted as “poisons” in the blood of the body politic. And then, of course, there was the American South after the Civil War, when the narrative of the Confederate "lost cause" yielded a potent brew of twisted history and white supremacist ideology.
Lost cause narratives sometimes have been powerful enough to build or destroy political regimes, shape national and ethnic identities, and fill landscapes with monuments. They work primarily as powerful new founding myths, always advancing a politics of grievance that turns into retribution, and sometimes victory. Immediately after the military surrender in 1865, forms of the Confederate "lost cause" took root in a Southern society marked by physical destruction, the psychological trauma of defeat, resistance to the victors’ policy of Reconstruction, racial violence and — with time — carefully constructed sentimentalism.
Read more: Here's how we know the Republican Party has become an autocratic movement
www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-10-08/donald-trump-republican-party-autocratic-movement-dissent?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=promo_module&utm_campaign=rss_feed
Specifically, the Confederate "lost cause" claimed that Southern soldiers had shown unfailing valor, and that the South hadn’t really lost, but merely succumbed to superior numbers and resources. Southern white women allegedly supported the cause to the bitter end and helped preserve the “truthful” memory; the Confederacy’s enslaved Black population supposedly remained loyal to their owners; and, finally, the Confederates had never really fought for slavery but rather for “home,” national sovereignty and states’ rights.
To be sustained as public propaganda, lost causes need a pure narrative with clearly identified villains and heroes. Sometimes, they are havens of sick souls; other times, they are the means to power for a disciplined political movement. Trump’s "lost cause," now newly virulent as he campaigns for a second term despite multiple indictments, draws on a menu of grievances among the disaffected, energizing those who believe that a “diversity”-obsessed multicultural America has veered out of control, especially in relation to immigration at the Mexican border.
Read more: Goldberg: Trump's day-one dictator comment is a sad symptom of populist politics
www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-12-12/trump-2024-election-dictator-day-one?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=promo_module&utm_campaign=rss_feed
Some are also staunch believers in conspiracy theories about “fraud” allegedly committed in the 2020 election as well as other dark notions of leftist machinations in American universities, on school boards, and in the Democratic Party. Unlike the Confederate Lost Cause, the Trump version is a kind of gangster cult, full of rituals of loyalty to a single man and his plans to fashion an authoritarian U.S. government that will use executive power to achieve his followers’ preferences.
Trump’s "lost cause" also has its martyrs, including the hundreds of convicted insurrectionists — known in the movement, and by Republican politicians such as Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.), as “hostages” — who are now in prison. Above all, it peddles a model of politics and society according to which facts and evidence are irrelevant. At Trump rallies, constitutionalism is for losers, history is little more than a useful weapon, and American civics is deployed as entertainment to indulge hatred of liberalism, representative democracy and — in many cases — nonwhite America. The Trump "lost cause" is thus a platform, one that the Republican Party has adopted to convert these stories and lies into votes. Win or lose, it will not die.
www.cnn.com/2024/01/07/politics/elise-stefanik-january-6-prisoners-liz-cheney/index.html
In the Confederate "lost cause," white Southerners truly had to endure colossal mourning: Nearly 300,000 people lay in graves across their landscape, and much of their society lay in ruins. Trumpian mourning seems rooted in social-media-driven nostalgia for an ideal past that almost no one experienced. The movement’s supporters long for a vanished racial order, for a world of secure social identities preserved from unknown but hated elites, and for communities that have not been drained of cohesion by the internet, the pandemic and economic displacement. They need their story to be great again.
Lost causes can turn lies into common coin and forge deep and lasting myths. We are a long way from knowing how much staying power the Trumpian "lost cause" will have, regardless of whether he survives his criminal charges and the election campaign. What we do know is that we have already witnessed its formative years.
David W. Blight is Sterling Professor of History at Yale University and author of the Pulitzer Prize-winning "Frederick Douglass: Prophet of Freedom."
If it’s in the news right now, the L.A. Times’ Opinion section covers it. Sign up for our weekly opinion newsletter.
www.latimes.com/newsletters/opinion?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=newsletter_module&utm_campaign=opinion
This story originally appeared in Los Angeles Times.
COMMENTS
Kevin
1 day ago
The Lost Cause has been a cultural staple in the Deep South ever since the end of the war and Pollard published his 1866 book "the Lost Cause." It dominates the culture of the South, even at my church where on Confederate Memorial Day Sunday, the pastor makes a point every year to mention the "valiant Southern soldiers fighting against the North's tyranny." I took him to task on that last year and he said he agreed with me, but there's no way he can tell any other member that or else he'd be run out of town on a rail. It's also amazing that the southern Lost Cause is evident in places like Michigan and Indiana, which sent scores of troops in the 1860s to end the slaveholders' rebellion.
william
1 day ago
What tyranny? 44% of the south's population were slaves in 1860. Southern states seceded just because Lincoln was elected. They feared something and decided to break the law based on that fear. Imagine someone fearing their home being broken into so they broke into someone else's home. Essentially that is what the south did. They fired on the Federal Fort Sumter. Then the states which hadn't seceded, including Virginia, seceded because the federal government called up troops to put down the rebellion. Mind you that Virginia in 1860 begged federal troops to come in and put down John Brown's Harper Ferry raid and threat of rebellion and they tried John Brown and his cohorts on the crime of treason. Before Virginia decided to secede in 1861 they had a convention to determine their path and those at the convention who looked at secession determined it to be illegal. Meaning it was not found in the 10th amendment rights. There was no northern tyranny just like there was no massive election fraud in 2020. It was a lie that southerners have told themselves after the fact.
Earthling
16 hours ago
The 44% wasn't even considered as people. Mississippi pre 1964 bragged they didnt even need the guys in the pointed hats to keep them from voting. They would just make sure they had no jobs if they tried to vote ... less than 5% voted. These people are still around today, doing all they can to control the vote.