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Post by diannap on Sept 10, 2022 9:12:53 GMT
Scribe, Not sure if you've seen any of his youtube videos (you probably have lol) in case you haven't. I really like his content.
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Post by the Scribe on Sept 10, 2022 20:02:05 GMT
Yes, I have seen him before but not this current video. The thing I like about him is he is usually calm, collected and uses common sense to parse arguments.
After years of studying these right wingers I have come to the conclusion that conservatism is more the problem than the party affiliation. Conservatives were batshit racists (among other things) when they were Southern Democrats and now those same conservatives have all found a more comfortable home in the Republican Party after the Dems passed Civil and Voting Rights into law back in the 60's. Party platforms keep changing. For example if you look at Bernie Sander's platform from 2016 it looked like Dwight Eisenhower's (Republican President) from the 50's. In those days liberals and conservatives populated each party. Not so much anymore. Especially after Nixon's Southern strategy to court these racists into voting for him and joining that party. Soon after that the GOP was taken over by wealthy elites with libertarian ideals and transnational corporations which already had a foothold there. They changed our economic system into that libertarian trickle up free market free trade scam with the help of Reagan (who won office by committing treason).
The scary thing for me is how so many minority groups are taking up the conservative mantle and as such joining the GOP. Throw in a grifter like Trump who shares that scam with Evangelicals and party officials. They hold their nose by taking in these people just to win power and we have a dangerous mix because our political system is set up to allow favor to the political minority. And these conservatives are masters at messaging and propaganda. Ever see Invasion of the Body Snatchers? It is a mess when you think about it. The Dems had better wake up and fight fire with fire. Thank goodness Biden has finally started doing that causing all the triggered snowflakes on the right to melt.
I consider myself center left or left of center or a pragmatic centrist. We just need to improve the way our elections happen as there are too many right wing shenanigans going on to shift power to themselves as they are the minority. Wherever self-proclaimed conservatives are you will find me on the other side. They are a shifty, shady bunch.
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Post by diannap on Sept 11, 2022 4:22:53 GMT
What gets me is.. the current day maga (ts)which would have been Dixiecrats or democrats during civil war era blame modern day democrats for supporting slavery.. these same people, usually on social media support people like marjorie taylor greene and of course, trump and many have a confederate flag as an icon. They actually believe their party was against slavery.. What do you tell these people, without going in to great detail? I've had people in my own family say that. I usually tell them the party names change but ideology is the same..It's crazy because these people actually believe that.. yet, they don't support groups like Black Lives Matter, minorities, women, lgbt ect.. It drives me crazy .. Just like the Beau's video calling republicans who don't support trump rinos.. I call it gaslighting because they can't be that stupid.
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Post by the Scribe on Sept 11, 2022 7:35:15 GMT
That is why I make the distinction between Republicans and Conservatives.
short answer: The Civil War wasn't a Republican vs. Democratic War. It was a war between the Liberal North and the Conservative South. Northern Republicans and Northern Democrats were Liberal. Southern Democrats and Republicans were conservative. Abraham Lincoln Was a Liberal, Jefferson Davis Was a Conservative. All Northern governors were liberal, anti slavery by that point.
Fast forward to the Civil Rights Act: the South from the Civil War to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 tended to be opposed to minority rights. 90% of members of Congress from states (or territories) that were part of the Union voted in favor of the act, while less than 10% of members of Congress from the old Confederate states voted for it. THE MORE LIBERAL A CONGRESSMAN OR SENATOR WAS THE MORE LIKELY HE WOULD VOTE FOR THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964.
Once LBJ signed the act into law, the Southern Democrats (conservatives) began to jump ship to the GOP as part of Nixon's Southern Strategy where they remain today. That is why the old confederate states are all Red Republican states today. The Confederate flag is a Conservative Flag and symbol.
Longer answer:
GOP TALKING POINT:
The GOP is the Party of Civil Rights
conservatism.freeforums.net/thread/134/gop-party-civil-rights
WRONG!
"Before 1964 Liberals populated both parties and it was the Liberals, NOT the conservatives who were passing civil right legislation. Civil Rights ISN'T a political party thing, it isn't Republican or Democratic. It IS CONSERVATIVE VS LIBERAL and has more to do historically with CONFEDERATE "CONSERVATIVE" SOUTH VS UNION "LIBERAL" NORTH.
You don't need to know too much history to understand that the South from the civil war to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 tended to be opposed to minority rights. 90% of members of Congress from states (or territories) that were part of the Union voted in favor of the act, while less than 10% of members of Congress from the old Confederate states voted for it.
Democrats in the north and the south were more likely to vote for the bill than Republicans in the north and south respectively. It just so happened southerners made up a larger percentage of the Democratic than Republican caucus, which created the initial impression than Republicans were more in favor of the act. Nearly 100% of Union state Democrats supported the 1964 Civil Rights Act compared to 85% of Republicans. None of the southern Republicans voted for the bill, while a small percentage of southern Democrats did. The same pattern holds true when looking at ideology instead of party affiliation.
The folks over at voteview.com/ , who created DW-nominate scores to measure the ideology of congressmen and senators, found that THE MORE LIBERAL A CONGRESSMAN OR SENATOR WAS THE MORE LIKELY HE WOULD VOTE FOR THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964, once one controlled for a factor closely linked to geography.
Minorities have a pretty good idea of what they are doing when joining the Democratic party. They recognize that the Democratic party of today looks and sounds a lot more like the Democratic party of the North that with near unity passed the Civil Rights Bill of 1964 than the southern Democrats of the era who blocked it, and today would, like Strom Thurmond, likely be Republicans."
After 1964 all the racist conservatives in the Democratic Party went Republican where they remain the party of racists until today. It is just a natural order of things that Conservatives are racist no matter what their affiliation." |
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Post by the Scribe on Sept 11, 2022 7:43:57 GMT
Republicans of today hate that answer lol. And you never hear the hate radio talking heads mention any of this because it would expose them as the racists they are.
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Post by the Scribe on Sept 12, 2022 0:22:12 GMT
Ask the MAGATS why the Civil War was referred to as the war between the North and the South and NOT the war between Democrats and Republicans. It was a war between Liberals and Conservatives. Northern Liberal Republicans/Northern Liberal Democrats VS Southern Conservative Democrats/Southern Conservative Republicans.
Trying to explain anything to gaslit brainwashed conservatives is impossible. It's like throwing breadcrumbs out to a bunch of blabbermouth ducks who will peck each other to death for the last crumb. I put that info out there on youtube, yahoo, and other sites that allow comments to articles in hopes independents take in the info and understand why they need to vote. These people must be kept out of power. That is the bottom line.
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Post by diannap on Sept 12, 2022 3:36:13 GMT
Before I forget.. I sure hope he's right...
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Post by diannap on Sept 12, 2022 3:39:16 GMT
Ask the MAGATS why the Civil War was referred to as the war between the North and the South and NOT the war between Democrats and Republicans. It was a war between Liberals and Conservatives. Northern Liberal Republicans/Northern Liberal Democrats VS Southern Conservative Democrats/Southern Conservative Republicans.
Trying to explain anything to gaslit brainwashed conservatives is impossible. It's like throwing breadcrumbs out to a bunch of blabbermouth ducks who will peck each other to death for the last crumb. I put that info out there on youtube, yahoo, and other sites that allow comments to articles in hopes independents take in the info and understand why they need to vote. These people must be kept out of power. That is the bottom line. When you call their bluff as you did and provide the facts instead of bs talking points, normally they won't respond , and if they do it's a stupid laughing emoji. You should teach classes on this! |
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Post by the Scribe on Sept 15, 2022 16:26:07 GMT
It is difficult to know if it will change their minds but it may even though they behave that way. I figure if anything it may eventually make them question the conservative media echo chamber they are in. But more importantly you arm others on your side and in the middle with more information to build on. It also shows a united front to them to show they can't always get away with their nonsense.
I have to say in the past year or so I don't feel like the only Leftie commenting at those sites. Years ago I was quite outnumbered. The Left seemed to just stick to their like minded sites but I always felt we need to take the War to their own sites first. What good is preaching to the choir? That is why the Right Wing leadership has their panties in a twist over sites like Twitter blocking their nonsense. It is all about converting or owning the Libs. If they can't get into the popular sites their message dies.
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